Our Little friends at It Again!

[enamel7]

Here's a rare one for you. Claims it's been graded, yet no photo of holder. Bet this can back just graded, no variety.
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-ANOMLY-SPECIMEN-1958-S-D-LINCOLN-WHEAT-CENT-/160588375334?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item2563d02526

[Maineman750]

What a load of BS that one is !

[lara4228]

Isn't that the same seller enamel that you and I kind of were at arms about last week? I think I recognize the background pic and the sellers name?

Correct me if I'm wrong. Either that or this seller has been reported on this forum recently, (weeks not months)

[enamel7]

Yes it is Lara!

[lara4228]

:sign10: :eclipsee_gold_cup: :sign10:


I thought so.

Then I agree with our Maineman......:WVP-BS01:

[atarian]

best case a dropped letter of S

Or hes full of S

[adam1]

Wow I dont know what to say. It only took me an hour to read all of that and still have no idea what they are rattling on about. Rofl.

[coinman2009]

HaHA HaHa. Somebody Wasted Their Time Posting That Crap!:sign10:

[adam1]

I wasted my time reading it.... Lol

[coinman2009]

Yeah mee too! LOL!:sign10:

[copperlover]

No bids so far. The questions asked are not enough. The seller needs questions about the reference to PCGS and who in that grading co. did the grading. There are places where people like those reside.......far,far away. Fortunately no one will sniff on that one. Hell hath no fury, only fire.

Lucien

[adam1]

I asked where the pic of the slab is.

[mustbebob]

I'll bet that the slab will say nothing more than AU58BN. PCGS will not authenticate anything like this, especially with the 'story' surrounding it.

[jfines69]

We all die eventually... Think I can sell my MD coins for $1000.00 each... They are rare one of a kinds!!!

[adam1]

I wonder what I could get for my 6 cent piece I have??

[jcuve]

Good grief what nonsense.

[lara4228]

We all die eventually... Think I can sell my MD coins for $1000.00 each... They are rare one of a kinds!!!

Don't give him any ideas!!!! :crossedlips:

[lara4228]

I wasted my time reading it.... Lol

I started to read it until about half way...then it all just became a mush. anyway, it was me that asked the first question. I guess I should have been a little more specific.

2 things I want to say regarding this item up for grabs and this forum.

1. If you thoroughly read his response, you will note that he does admit to errors in the listing. There must be a way to report him to ebay for falsifying the information posted. As he has not gone back and *corrected* his mistakes.

2. Secondly and most importantly to me here is......Bob and Enamel, I humbly apologize and retrace most of what I said on the last thread regarding this goof. Both of you, please accept my apology for being such a woman and wanting to give the *poor guy* a personal and privacy break. I see now my efforts were wasted and your views and opinions do stand firm and upright.

Lara

[enamel7]

No need to apologize to me. You just gave your opinion. That's what this site is about.

[lara4228]

Well, I still feel like a boob :nerd: and like I am back stepping here.

[mustbebob]

I agree also. No need to apologize. We can only do so much individually, but as a group, we can carry considerably more weight when dealing with individuals like this. As I have said before, don't sweat the small stuff Lara.

[lara4228]

Thanks Bob and Enamel. I tried reporting him to ebay for false and misleading information about item description and shipping inconsistencies and lack of correcting it, even though he noted it in the Q/A section, to me it wouldn't and doesn't hold water. Not much is going to happen I am sure. Ya never know.

[copperlover]

Heard from seller no bidders . No fish are biting at this time. Only excuses offered which are ridiculous

[DoubleYou]

Well, he definitely mastered the art of yelling on Ebay.

[adam1]

Heard from seller no bidders . No fish are biting at this time. Only excuses offered which are ridiculous

Copperlover you have no idea what kind of excuses.

[liveandievarieties]

There IS something that can be done- ONE CALL TO PCGS. Or one from each of us.....I mean it. If 10 or 15 people call and complain about this idiot invoking their name to perpetrate a scam. Seriously, let's all pick a day VERY SOON, and each call PCGS. I bet the moron will have a cease and desist order before noon! I'm not joking, PCGS doesn't screw around with the use of their name.

Whadday'all Think?

[adam1]

There IS something that can be done- ONE CALL TO PCGS. Or one from each of us.....I mean it. If 10 or 15 people call and complain about this idiot invoking their name to perpetrate a scam. Seriously, let's all pick a day VERY SOON, and each call PCGS. I bet the moron will have a cease and desist order before noon! I'm not joking, PCGS doesn't screw around with the use of their name.

Whadday'all Think?

I'm all for it

[coinman2009]

:O Now That's An Idea!:LOL_Hair: I'm sure you're right!

[adam1]

Sent them a emil already.

[liveandievarieties]

OK, then let's act upon it.

Tomorrow morning, let's all plan to call PCGS. Their phone number is 800-447-8848. They're open from 7 AM to 5 PM Pacific time (10-8 eastern). When you call, explain to the operator that you are reporting a person USING THEIR NAME to sell a fake coin. If asked, explain the details, but simply explain that it's hurting the hobby, and as a concerned collector (and fan of PCGS), you're hoping for help in getting eBay to remove the listing. We all have the listing link. Let's all talk tomorrow night and find out what happens.

Someone very recently mentioned that as a group, we're far more powerful than the sum of our members. Let's put that into action!

[jfines69]

That's called SYNERGY!!!

[lara4228]

Jim....you are so right! lol

If I get a chance after work I will call as well.

[copperlover]

The seller said that she is a member here and because of that we can stop any adverse action.

Lucien

[liveandievarieties]

The seller is long-winded and incredibly ignorant, this is the response I got:

"First of all, take a long deep breath, Secondly I am not JOKING as the SERIOUS nature of this auction in this EBAY Advertisement. Thirdly, the COIN is a 1958 S/D LINCOLN WHEAT CENT not a 1958 D/S LINCOLN WHEAT CENT. Fourthly, the COIN featured in this auction does EXIST. Have you any CONCEPT IN YOUR MIND THAT PREPHAPS ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH that this COIN does EXIST? Or tha This Specimn was put in a PCGS holder/slab? Well it was done. Ths SPECIME would not be LISTED currently or previously in the REDBOOK or CHERRYPICKER'S GUIDE simly because it is "NEWLY DISCOVERED" and the thought of you otherwise thought process is very disturbing in this SPECIMEN. I am goig to set the record STRAIGHT ONCE ANDFOR ALL. What I see on this Specimen is GENUINE and MY SHARP 20/20 vision does not lie to me. I know how to identify a "S" MINTMARK AS SUCH the one FEATURED ON THIS SPECIMEN a 1958 S/D LINCOLN WHEAT CENT. I am no FOOL nor do I DENY WHAT MY 20/20 VISION SEES ON THIS SPECIMEN. And for the SOLE LEGAL PURPOSES OF HIS EBAY AUCTION I AM, AND HAVE BEEN IN THE LEGAL LITIGANT STANCE IN A LEGAL 10 YEAR BATTLE with a MULTI-BILLION PHARAMACUTAL COMPANY KNOWN AS PFIZER INC. and have WON LITIGATION Against that ENTITY's PRESIDENT and SETTLED MY OWN CASE WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THIS COMPANY having represented the SOUTHERN DISTRICT in my STATE. SO I am no STRANGER TO MY HAVING THIS GOD GIVEN TALENT. I take LITIGATION VERY SERIOUSLY and as such will not tolerate your threats liveandievarities to have me ban from Ebay and the case is that you unfortunately have no other way to accept and respect the ITEM/anomly/specimen 1958 S/D LINCOLN WHEAT CENT auction and that is unfortnate and with all respects for the others potential buyers please do not have this individual's comments affect the outcome of your DECISION to purchase this RARITY as I believe the INDIVIDUAL WHOSE CHOICE IS TO AQUIRE THIS SPECIMEN WILL NOT BE DISAPPONINTED NOR NEVER,EVER DECIEVED AS THIS is NEVER TO BE MY CHARACTER WHATSOEVER!"

[Maineman750]

The seller is a member on here and just posted the other day...but I really don't think he/she is ignorant...it seems more like delusional to me.....JMHO

[liveandievarieties]

I'm sure you're right Roger.

I just called PCGS, reported the item # and seller's name. I think that further calls will speed PCGS' action. Thanks everyone.

[adam1]

PCGS e-mailed me back this morning and I called the guy and he sent my e-mail with the link to the higher ups and they said they would get it taken care of.

[mustbebob]

What the hell does legal litigation against Pfizer have to do with this? And what God given talent can you derive from that? I think it's time for a nap...

[celartu]

That will be thinking this seller?

[liveandievarieties]

Lol, I LOVE IT!!!

Thanks everyone, remember, as a group, we're incredibly more powerful than as individuals!

If we can keep up the pressure at PCGS, we can effect the change that is needed.

Adam1- As the leader of the pack, PM me- I've got some fun, free stuff for you. Thanks my friend.

[copperlover]

Adam1 you are remarkable. Thanks for going the extra mile and getting it done. CW has also helped. I do think
that this will only help future collectors by having varieties correctly presented.

[jcuve]

Entering back into the thread a little late...
The seller is rather clearly delusional and entirely ignorant...and unfortunately rather amusing as a result...

[wolfkill]

ebay@$#^%*(*)^&#)^R$-ooops!!!did i say that

[Scooby]

I think what aggravates me more than anything is that EBay will allow garbage like that to continue, but if I mention that my poor coin ended up in an SGS slab, my listing gets pulled.

[adam1]

Thanks every one!!! I just dont like seeing people try to rip people off. I feel if it is real you would have pics of the coin in the slab even if you dont have your cam. I'm sure some one you know has one or you would wait till you could get pics to list it. If it is an error coin and came back from the TPG as an error you would put the error that it came back with on your listing and offer a refund all he said is it came back AU58 so I don't think the coin has any kind of error or at lest the TPG didn't think so. If the coin is what the seller said it is a 1958 D over S I will stick my foot in my mouth and take pics of it to prove it.

[wolfkill]

wrote them about slab??? have no reply yet .will post if do

[uncommoncents42]

...and ONLY $100,000.00?! :sign10:

[tinytinkerbell]

...and ONLY $100,000.00?! :sign10:

OH what a deal!! you better get it before I do!!:LOL_Hair:

[Maineman750]

Just saw on another forum where they got this auction shut down by showing eBay the rule violation.Apparently that works best.

[tinytinkerbell]

Just saw on another forum where they got this auction shut down by showing eBay the rule violation.Apparently that works best.

That's awesome.. thanks for the update :)

[liveandievarieties]

This specific auction didn't get shut down, and I filed 2 different listing violations. Time ran out yesterday, no buyers. Funny, because I was going to buy at the last moment. I wouldn't have minded my first unpaid item strike in 7 years. But I missed the auction. Sad days.

[Maineman750]

That's strange Chris....the poster was biokemist, who is usually pretty reliable. I wonder if I misinterpreted the letter he posted from eBay. Oh well, I guess we may see it again. I like your idea though, it would really play havoc with the seller's mind :LOL_Hair:

[liveandievarieties]

Weird indeed- The seller of the "1958-S/D Anomaly" was a member by the name of "Marilynpiccard". I looked at the listing a dozen times, filed reports with eBay and called PCGS. I saw the listing yesterday afternoon when it had less than 1 hour, then saw the item was unsold. Now, after the item didn't sell, it's been removed (?).

RE: Biokemist- I've bough from this seller several times and am a fan, never a bad transaction, always as described. So I'm a little confused.

[adam1]

Now I am confused about everything? I got told because he never said that PCGS graded it as an error no one could do anything about it he only said it was graded AU58bn. So if someone would have bought it and it didn't have that it is an error on the slab they would have been mad and he did not offer a refund so that tells me he was trying to pull something he also said he would have pics of it in the slab before the auction ended and I watched it till the last min and didn't see 1 pic of it in the slab so that tells me he was trying to scam someone. IMHO

[Maineman750]

Chris, I believe I've figured it out. Biokemist posted a sample of a letter he got from eBay regarding another listing, then stated below it "The best way to remove a listing is to report violations". I'll bet he was just showing us an example and I took it the wrong way. Adam1, she was definitely trying to scam someone.

[liveandievarieties]

Cool Maineman, that clears it up, I was concerned to hear the name of someone I held as an esteemed seller involved in what was certainly shady.....all better now. Biokemist is good, MarilynPiccard is bad!

Adam- Are you willing to show your paper trail now? That'll sew up this long thread very nicely!

[wolfkill]

i also ask to see slab??? never heard a word???

[jfines69]

I wonder if her husband is captain of the starship Enterprise... LOL!!!

[adam1]

Adam- Are you willing to show your paper trail now? That'll sew up this long thread very nicely!

Ya if you want to post it I wont be home till later tonight.

[adam1]

This is the emails back and forth from me and the seller

Me:


Do you have a pic of it in the slab?

Him:
The item has not been photographed yet in the PCGS holder as of now. I currently have to get my NIKON COOLPIX CAMERA as sometimes I let my relatives use the camera on occasion and this is the reason why I haven't gotten the pictures of the anomly in the PCGS holder yet. But I will be posting th new pictures of the Item soon. Thanks for your understanding and hopes that this answer your question. GOOD LUCK and HAPPY BIDDING!!!!!


- marilynpiccar

Me:
I have not herd back from you. I would like to know more before I place a bid. Thank you


Him:
Greetings and my apoligizes as such in answering your question(s) Doctor's visits and taking my daughter to her college takes up most of my time away from the computer terminal. All the revelent information is given in detail about the 1958 S/D Lincoln Wheat Cent and unfortunately I still don't have my camera yet and it is still with my relative who uses it on occassion when they go out of town which is the case now. I have the Specimen now which came back from PCGS and have it securely locked away in my safe. Rest assure that the item that is PICTURED is the ITEM that is up for auction and please if any doubt comes to your mind as to the SPECIMEN identified in this listing it is the REAL DEAL and if you want more close-up pictures of the item I have the pictures of the exact same photographs on this website to which I am particle to visit and please log-on to www.lincolncentresource.com (http://www.lincolncentresource.com/) and my username is Chamfre on the Lincoln cent forum I have a photo ablum of all my pictures there including the specimen identified in this auction. Click on the pictures and you should see the "S" mintmark more clearly as there are only 5 pictures of the SPECIMEN available with the red background and the other pictures shows the coin with a maginifying glass on the Specimen with a brown background. Hope this information is helpful in your decision to bid/purchase this "UNIQUE" specimen and as such Happy Bidding and GOOD LUCK TO ALL. ONLY 6 days and 20 hours left before a ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY IS FOREVER GONE FROM EBAY!!!!!!

Me:
I looked on that web site and nothing showed me anything. I also asked for the pcgs number so I could look it up on there web site as the number you put in the ad pcgs's web site said that number did not exist. If I am going to spend that kind of money I want to know more about everything as you do not offer a refund. I collet rare error coins and if you say that it is what it is I would love to have it but you need to under stand that for that kind of money I need to know and see more. Thank you

Him:
The PCGS No. is 2849 that was assisgned to the specimen and EVERYTHING that is PRESENT and CLEAR in the AUCTION ADVERTISEMENT is TRUE and CORRECT. I stand by my SPECIMEN and as SUCH CLARIFY that everything in the EBAY AUCTION detailing the 1958 S/D LINCOLN WHEAT CENT is EXACTLY as EXPLAINED. Did you access the website at www.lincolncentresource.com (http://www.lincolncentresource.com/) for my Photo Album section? It has the pictures available there whereby you can see for yourself the 1958 S/D LINCOLN WHEAT CENT, my online name is CHAMFRE and if you go there and log-in into the FORUM RESOURCE ROOM link which is the 2nd link on the Main page in the middle. The link leads to the Forum website and my online name is accessable as to see the pictures. Again the "S" Mintmark is a weakstrike and even with the pictures available on the Ebay auction one should focus very closely as to identify the "S" mintmark to the right of the "8" next to 1958. I understand thaT this is very big "DECISION" and please take your time in your decision as tHis is a very "SERIOUS" purchase and one should weight the option as to purchse this UNIQUE specimen. AGAIN THIS IS A ONCE IN A CHANCE AND OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THIS SPECIMEN AND TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE THIS SPECIMEN WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED NOR QUESTION THE EXISTANCE OF THE "S" MINTMARK THAT IS CLEAR ON THIS SPECIMEN. IF NOT FOR ME BEING FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE FOUND THIS SPECIMEN IT WOULD GOD WILLING BE ANYWHERE IN CIRCULATION TO PERHAPS NEVER EVER TO BE DISCOVERED. I KNOW THIS SPECIMEN NEEDS IT'S MOMENT TO SHINE AND THE LUCKY PERSON TO PURCHASE THIS SPECIMEN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO. I HAVE NOTHING BUT THE RESPECT OF THIS SPECIMEN THAT HAS ATTRACED SINCE MAY 15,2011 A TOTAL OF 260+ VIEWS AND 12 WATCHERS AND ANYONE OF THESE EBAYERS COULD POTENTIALLY BE THE BUYER OF THIS SPECIMEN. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE AND AS SUCH AGAIN I WOULD BE TRULY GRADIFITY OF YOUR BUSINESS AND TO ALL EBAYERS GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY BIDDING. THANK YOU OWEN FOR YOUR RESPONS

Me:
I looked at the pics and they are not close enuff to see it. the pcgs number is no good on there web site. What is the full number on the slab? What all does it say on the slab? Has Mike Diamond seen or said anything about the coin?

Him:
I will provide a picture before the auction ends of The SPECIMEN in the PCGS FOLDER to be on EBAY

Me:
The questions I have asked you have not provided answers for. Because you don't want to give the pcgs number or tell what the slab says on it I fell that it only came back at AU58BN no errors or you woulden't be beating around the bush on my questions.

Him:
I was not beating around the bush and the advertisment is legitimate as is the specimen. Hope the information contained in the propectus can be benefit your decision on purchase level, if not please rest assure that the SPECIMEN will recieve it's MOMENT in the NUMINSATIC WORLD and if not sold by the end of this ONE-IN-A-LIFETIME Opportuniy will find a place with a reputable indivuial whose will not be dissappointed to OWN this ANOMLY/SPECIMEN. In all my years as a collector of coinage and collecting and studying of this field NEVER had I would IMAGINE that this SPECIMEN would be found by me and I consider myself EXTREMELY LUCKY to have it in my presence. The person who eventually owns it will be just as LUCKY. THANKS FOR TIME and HAPPY BIDDING!!!!!

Me:
I have asked for the pcgs number a couple times now and you change the subject when you email me back. There for I belive pcgs did not recognize this as an error. If they did and you can prove it to me by a pic of the slab or the pcgs I will bid on it right now.

Him:
READ RESPONSE TO LIVEANDIEVARIETIES. THANK YOU.

[wolfkill]

they took off the coin on ebay i checked at 10;30pm5/25/2011

[adam1]

No the auction ended yesterday morning.

[jfines69]

Total BS... Never did get an answer!!!

[lara4228]

WOW! is all i gotta say