1994 Die Rotation Error Lincoln

[brefos77]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220273516454&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=012

[Brad]

I hope it sells high! Good luck!

[brefos77]

It went for $20.25...:sad:

Oh well, I only paid a penny for it. Not a bad investment!

[amac44]

Is that not 2000.24% return on a cent? that's great ! in my book I wish my 401k had done that well!

[OCD]

Is that not 2000.24% return on a cent? that's great ! in my book I wish my 401k had done that well!
$20 isn't too bad for a penny and I don't even want to talk about my 401k.:(

[legend]

Are die rotations common? I have gotten some gem 1982- rotated dies lately, and I wonder if they command a premium in Gem BU, which most of mine are.

[1sgret]

Most references say that the die rotation should be 15 degrees or more for it to take on a value. More usually 45 degrees or more adds to the value.
The Mints tolerance is 7 degrees for each die. Most collectible rotated die strikes are 90 degrees to 180 degrees, less often 45 degrees.
(RE: Price Guide to Mint Errors, pg. 284) I say it depends on what the collector wants because they are neat! Joe

[mousey70]

Hi brefos77. I new to this site and have been collecting Lincoln cents a short while. I saw this thread and even though it's old news now for you and many others, I would like your and everyone elses opinions about 1994 die rotations and what you all found out. I'd like you to look at the one I found and tell me if it is worth certifying. I don't have a degree gauge but it looks like a CW rotation of 195*. THANKS,I'm open for any info.------mouse

[AgCollector]

Hi brefos77. I new to this site and have been collecting Lincoln cents a short while. I saw this thread and even though it's old news now for you and many others, I would like your and everyone elses opinions about 1994 die rotations and what you all found out. I'd like you to look at the one I found and tell me if it is worth certifying. I don't have a degree gauge but it looks like a CW rotation of 195*. THANKS,I'm open for any info.------mouse

Welcome to the forum! You'd probably attract more responses by starting a new thread; with that said, die rotations are actually only measured 0-180 degrees, either clockwise or counterclockwise.

Here is a good (older) discussion on the topic

http://www.lincolncentresource.net/forums/showthread.php?t=172&highlight=rotated+reverse

As to value it's probably between $25 and $60, which is not really worth certifying in my opinion.

[brefos77]

I sold mine for (I think) $20.00 on ebay. Yours looks nice. You should be able to get that or maybe more.

You probably do need to start another thread, so you can get more responses.

[mousey70]

I tried to start a new thread but was disallowed.???? Question: the rotation on your coin brefos77 was what, 165 degrees? Your cent was still right side up. Agcollector's cent was 180 degrees or very, very close. A tr5ue reveral. How come my cent has to be measured in the CCW direction only? I understand AG's statement of max 180 degrees but can one get a true picture of rotation that way? Just trying to understand the right way to express rotations. THANKS---------mouse

[Brad]

Mousey...Where were you trying to start a new thread? New threads cannot be started in Variety Fair or Error Central. 180 degrees is very close to 165 when you look at the coin. I think that all 1994 rotated die errors are exactly 165 including AG's.

[Brad]

Check out this link: http://www.cointalk.com/forum/t33979/

[AgCollector]

I tried to start a new thread but was disallowed.???? Question: the rotation on your coin brefos77 was what, 165 degrees? Your cent was still right side up. Agcollector's cent was 180 degrees or very, very close. A tr5ue reveral. How come my cent has to be measured in the CCW direction only? I understand AG's statement of max 180 degrees but can one get a true picture of rotation that way? Just trying to understand the right way to express rotations. THANKS---------mouse

For starting new threads- the way the forum is set up, you start a thread in the "Attribution Submissions" section, then it gets moved to either Variety Fair, Error Central or the Throwbacks. So, you should be able to start one in the Attribution Submissions section.

Actually my coin was 165 degrees too, when I measured it closer. The way the rotation measurement works, you start out by imagining where the top would be if there were no error, then you see what direction (clockwise or counter-cw) you need to rotate to get to where your coin is, then finally if you have a protractor or other device you can measure the angle needed to get there.

[AgCollector]

Mousey...Where were you trying to start a new thread? New threads cannot be started in Variety Fair or Error Central. 180 degrees is very close to 165 when you look at the coin. I think that all 1994 rotated die errors are exactly 165 including AG's.

Beat me to the response!

1994 has both 165 degrees CW and 165 degrees CCW that I've found myself, and I believe I read somewhere that there are other, lesser, rotations out there but that it was the same die that was rotating.

[kloccwork419]

180 is the most it can be. In either direction. once you go past that its concidered the other direction. Nobody can know for sure what direction its actually rotated. If you say your coin is 270 CCW its actually 90 CW:)