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JeanK
10-08-2008, 12:06 AM
Here are two more Lincolns with unusual markings on the forhead.
Comments area welcomed.
JeanK

kloccwork419
10-08-2008, 05:13 AM
I dont know but I have an 86D with that same looking letter under the D..Nice to know what it is!

trails
10-08-2008, 12:13 PM
First thing, since a dropped design element is caused by the accumulated gunk (grease, dirt and other stuff) that filled an incused area in the die and has fallen out of that design element, it will appear as incused on the coin and not above the surface.

The anomaly that you are looking at appears to be raised, so if that is the case then it is not a dropped design element.

BJ Neff

kloccwork419
10-08-2008, 01:12 PM
well on mine its in...not out like this pic..But its the same shape..almost looks like an 8

Shingpumps
10-08-2008, 01:51 PM
Yes the droped leter does not damage the die itself, just the coin being struck. So like BJ said, it would not be raised.

kloccwork419
10-08-2008, 05:22 PM
What if it wasnt raised. Would there be a premium?. On mine its under the mintmark and pushed in

trails
10-09-2008, 10:54 AM
Jason - I would have to see a picture of the anomaly to be sure of what it is.

bJ Neff

JeanK
10-09-2008, 12:57 PM
It was explained to me that a dropped letter is from a portion of a previous coin which has a weakness in a device, such as improper lamination of a letter or number. The weakness will cause that portion to peel away and possibly stick to the opposite die as a foreign material. If it remains on the die it can cause an incused impression on one or more coins after that. The weakened letter or number will not withstand much more striking than one or two coins and will likely flake away rather quickly.

According to 'The Error Coin Encyclopedia Fourth Edition', by Arnold Margolis, NLG, and Fred Weinberg, NLG, "Dropped Letter errors are far to scarce to allow an orderly compilation of price guides. Far too few have ever been reported by error coin dealers to make a comprehensive listing possible."

The 'O' dropped letter I posted once before. This particular coin was verified by Tom Miller... he asked if I wanted to sell it, but instead I gave him the extra coin as a Thank You for his help.
The second appears to be a 'D' or a portion of a 'B', according to all who have seen it.
The third coin has what appears to be a 'O' or maybe even an '8'.

My thought is to get these coins verified by ANACS to be certain they are authentic. Perhaps that will settle the debate about these unusual anomalies.

JeanK

mustbebob
10-09-2008, 03:27 PM
It was explained to me that a dropped letter is from a portion of a previous coin which has a weakness in a device, such as improper lamination of a letter or number. The weakness will cause that portion to peel away and possibly stick to the opposite die as a foreign material. If it remains on the die it can cause an incused impression on one or more coins after that. The weakened letter or number will not withstand much more striking than one or two coins and will likely flake away rather quickly.


Jean, your statement on what dropped letters are is not totally accurate. We discussed this on this previous post:
http://www.lincolncentresource.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8825#post8825

I just can't tell from your pic exactly what it is. I will be happy to have a look at it for you.

trails
10-09-2008, 04:31 PM
I have a dropped urn (post) from a LMC that is in the steps of the Memorial building in my collection of oddities.

The one glaring fact that shoots done the lamination peel causing such happenings is that coins that are not subjected to lamination peels have been affected, such as the modern day Lincoln cents.

Fred Weinberg has hit the nail on the head as to why such few coins have this type of anomaly, the dropped gunk does not last that long. One or two coins is about the maximum before it disintegrates. These are the pictures of the dropped urn

http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f292/Wavystep2003/?action=view&current=IMG_0249.jpg

http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f292/Wavystep2003/?action=view&current=IMG_0250.jpg

BJ Neff

JeanK
10-09-2008, 05:32 PM
Oakie Doakie Bob,

Checked your pics and the previous post... but I am still a bit unsure of why Tom would have told me the '0' is a dropped letter.
My apology for being so stubborn.. er, hard-headed...
Which one(s) do you want?
PM me for directions to continue.
By the way, these are the only three I have found so far.
Thanks,
JeanK

JeanK
10-09-2008, 05:36 PM
Hi BJ,
Mighty interesting dropped urn you found... at first I thought you were saying U R N...
and couldn't quite figure out what to look for. Thanks for posting the pics and being so patient.
I am afraid my stubborn nature comes from my maternal grandparents.. both native to the same county in Missouri.
(humbly)
JeanK