2006 OC or MAD?

[dvn]

Recently came across this 2006 Lincoln cent. Is it an off-center or seriously misaligned dies (MAD)?

http://www.dvnmagazine.com/2006oc.jpg

[kloccwork419]

Off-Centered...about 15-20%..Is this a test?

Did I pass?...lolol

[dvn]

Off-Centered...about 15-20%..Is this a test?

Did I pass?...lolol

It's not a test. I'm not 100% sure. I know the text-book definitions of both types of errors, however, in some cases there can be gray areas with a particular example.

[1sgret]

It is struck off center as part of the design is missing on the reverse.

I have one just like this that I have had it graded and encapsulated.

[RWBILLER]

Hi:
Another nice coin! I love coins with mutiple errors.
Thanks
Roger

[mustbebob]

I agree that it is an off-center coin. I am also aware of some of the 'gray' areas Billy speaks of. The way I was taught many, many, many years ago is that a misaligned die would not have a corresponding misalignment on the reverse or opposite side that is in the same direction. If it does, then it is considered an off-center strike.

[Brad]

It is hard to tell from the pictures, but does it lay flat or is that section raised?

[dvn]

It is hard to tell from the pictures, but does it lay flat or is that section raised?

Brad, it is extremely raised (like a cup). That's what is throwing me.

[mustbebob]

That changes things Billy. Now I don't know. I can handle most varieties, but I still need some work on certain errors. Maybe a partial collar strike?

[kloccwork419]

OOOO...Cool..I see it now that you said its raised...Im guessin you dont have a cam DVN?? Thats a scan right?

You can tell its raised now that you said it tho..REALLY nice.
I would throw that one at Joe. Hes the expert on them types if you ask me..lolol

[fugnchill]

Hi Guys,

This coin is extremely interesting so I looked around and found this coin. It does look very similar (or has similar characteristics) to yours Billy but unfortunately I can't see the reverse to see the details. This is classified as a broadstrike. Of course yours is missing details on the obverse and reverse indicating an off-center strike. So, is there such a monster as an off-center broadstrike?

Thanks for listening to my rambling,
Lestrrr

P.S. I'm sure you weighed and measured it and everything is as it should be. I'm still trying to visualize how this could have happened.

[1sgret]

Yes there is such a thing as an broad struck and off center.

However you picture posted above looks to to a Titled partial collar strike. I cannot really verify this as I cannot see the rim on the date side nor the reverse.

[1sgret]

This response should cover all the gray areas in question.

It's a "stiff collar error". A Planchet was fed in slightly off-center and on top of a collar that was very stiff or totally frozen in the "up position". The hammer die (reverse die in this case) drove the planchet past the frozen collar, warping the obverse face.

The shear forces set up between the hammer die and the frozen collar (and the part of the planchet trapped between them) created a rounded shoulder on the obverse face and a low flange on the the reverse face. I can't tell from the photo whether the collar was partly or fully deployed.

These stiff collar errors go back a long way, but they became much more common once the Schuler press and an inverted die set-up was introduced. The collar mechanism must function differently from that of the older Bliss Press.

This response was provided by Mike Diamond, President of CONECA and host of the ECIE yahoo.com Group.

I would have never thought of a "Stiff Collar Scenario" on a Schuler Press.

[dvn]

Well, this turned out to be very educational and informative. Thanks Joe for going to the extra steps. I had never heard of a "Stiff Collar" mint error. Kool! Now I can annotate the coin's insert with the correct terminology.

Thanks everybody for your inputs and I have learned something new today. :D

Regards,
Billy

[1sgret]

I got a little bit perplexed after you stated that it had a raised area and then I knew it was not struck off center nor could I see tale tail signs of a partial collar strike. Even my reference books do not cover this scenario. Once Mike explained it, I remembered seeing it on his ECIE site in a discussion.

More than happy to help and the right response is the correct response.

[DWK]

Joe:

Is it right because its correct, or correct because its right?:angel:

[1sgret]

Either way because it's SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!! and the beginning of a new week.

I had to throw that tidbit in there on the respone by MD on the synopsis of the coin, it made me feel better. (LOL) I see you weren't sleeping!!!!!!!