1992 DDO-001 1-O-VIII "eyelid"

[Brad]

Our next controversial Variety is the 1992 DDO 1 "peek-a-boo" cent. This is an opportunity for you to give your opinion. Is this a Doubled Die or not???

[jcuve]

I don't think it is but it would be easier to make the call if I had one (or had seen one in person)...

[trails]

I was one of the first to attribute thius coin and had mixed feelings concerning where or not it was or was not a doubled die. What most people do not know is that there was another underlying image under the secondary image. If this was the case, it would have been a tripled die.

In retrospect, there are two things that make this not a doubled (or tripled) die. The first was that the eyelid was not the proper shape, close to it, but not exactly and it was also a bit smaller. The other reason is that the anomaly is actually stronger (deeper recessed than the primary image) and has a break on its left end. Neither of these features is consistent with it being a doubled die.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f292/Wavystep2003/1992eyelid.jpg

My best guess is that this is a strike through a foreign object that damaged the die and shifted once before being ejected from the recess.

BJ Neff

[jcuve]

Nice picture BJ

[Brad]

Opps, I forgot to add pics. The pics above are from OCD.

[kloccwork419]

Im thinking its remnants of a clash. It a lower part of the design and you see them left over on alot of years in the low points. I have it looking like this. It matches up perfect and would make sense

[trails]

The anomaly is way to strong for a die clash.

BJ Neff

[brefos77]

I think it's a simple, well-placed die chip. :WVP-BS01:




:eclipsee_gold_cup: By the way, BJ, great job on the pic. I wish I knew your secret!

[1jackel1]

I do not think it is a die chip as i found 6 of these in the past three months and if it is a die chip, why are they all the same??And there is a die marker for these that i noticed, if you look on the reverse of these coins and look at where the designer initials are you can see on the side of the building it self, there are separation lines and only these coins have these marks on them. I will try to get picture of what i am talking about.

George

[1sgret]

I go with die chip after examining the one I have.

[jcuve]

I do not think it is a die chip as i found 6 of these in the past three months and if it is a die chip, why are they all the same??And there is a die marker for these that i noticed, if you look on the reverse of these coins and look at where the designer initials are you can see on the side of the building it self, there are separation lines and only these coins have these marks on them. I will try to get picture of what i am talking about.

George

Not to be at all disrespectful, but I don't understand your points George. I don't want to assume anything, but are you suggesting that if it was die chip that it wouldn't look the same on six separate examples? Maybe it would evolve one way or another but not look the same? And I am lost about the identification of a marker - if they all came form the same die why wouldn't there be common markers on all examples found?

Anyway, I just looked at my example (thanks again Roger for sending it to me!!!) and I at the very least cannot see how it could be a doubled die. In Photoshop I cut out the blob and placed over design elements in a relative proximity - the anomaly doesn't match the shape or size of the eye or eyelid. Without further evidence I would vote for a chip or some sort of damage to the die.

Here's a pic of the example I have...

http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww322/jcuve/1992Peek-a-boo.jpg

[coppercoins]

It's definitely a die gouge of some sort. Sorry folks.

It is definitely not a die chip. This term is used for a break in the die that pops out a piece of metal from the die leaving a cavity that transfers to coins as 'extra metal'. Its shape is always jagged, it is always in a known weak point in the design, and is always very sharp. This shape follows none of these guidelines...thus it's a die gouge.

[dvn]

I do not list in my files.

Billy (dvn)

[coppercoins]

It's not a die chip.

Die chips have very sharp edges - always. This does not have a sharp edge, and in fact, the edge of the anomaly actually blends into the area around it without a single hard break at all. This is definitely a die gouge.

[RWBILLER]

Hi:
I think it is a die gouge
I give them away as bonus coins on my sales.
roger

[rockdude]

Just saw this post and while I was reading it I thought die gouge but was steered away from that thinking by the many comments. Thanks Charles for setting me straight. Die Gouge.

[MintyFresh]

Super nice pic BJ.

It looks to me that the die detail that forms the eye lid broke and became dislodged, deforming the eyelid. I do not know what the forum means when it is declaring it a chip. Is that a chip in the die or is it a chip caused by FOD? FOD would leave a concave mark on the surface of the coin.

FOD: foriegn object debris.

[mustbebob]

Minty,
You may need to re-read the whole post. I realize you were asking what the differences are with the die 'chip'. Many people have given their opinion on what this anomaly might be. Chuck (coppercoins) described the differences between a chip and a gouge. Maybe it is just your use of terminology, but your statement about 'die details being broke' is really rather vague, and in this case would be just about impossible. You are definitely on the right track when you mention the die taking a hit by a foreign object . When that happens, it would cause a die gouge on the die that in return would leave a raised area on the struck coin...just like what we are talking about here.
Most of the time, use of the proper terminology really makes a difference on how the post reads.

[djringler]

Yes i beleive it is. I found one just like it about a week ago, while searching thru several boxes of pennies.

djringler@msn.com
:angel::angel::angel:

[mustbebob]

You believe it is what djringler? If you are saying it is a DDO, then please let us know your rationale. Thanks!

[DoubleYou]

The image is too strong for it to be a doubled die, as there would have to be more surrounding doubling for it to be this strong. I'm in favor of a die gouge.