198X Double strike or flip?

[RWBILLER]

Hi:
Just found in a bank roll - looks like a flip-over double strike on obverse.
Cool!
This is a Joe type coin!!!!
Roger

[Brad]

Looks like a creative squeeze job to me, but I could be wrong.

[AgCollector]

Looks like a creative squeeze job to me, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, looks like the letters are incused.

[RWBILLER]

Hi again:
The letters are NOT INCLUSE - it looks like a piece of the reverse die broke off and the coin was struck with that piece fcing up. whatever, the letters are up not indented!
oger

[mikediamond]

Regrettably, it is a "squeeze job". Your coin was trapped between another cent (obverse) and a flat, unyielding surface (reverse). Pressure was applied asymmetrically so that only "ONE CENT" left an impression. The letters would have to be incuse; it is impossible to have a raised mirror-image version of "ONE CENT".

[RWBILLER]

Mike:
I agree - the only problem is that the letters are raised! See new pic.
thx
roger

[mikediamond]

I can't figure out how anyone can even fabricate raised, mirror-image lettering, let alone how a press can accomplish this seeming feat of magic. But the flattened reverse and the out-of-round circumferance clearly indicates that there's monkey-business afoot. Nevertheless, I'm always interested in new, inventive forms of fakery. I'd be glad to inspect your coin. If you'd like to send it to me, contact me at mdia1@aol.com. -- Mike Diamond

[1sgret]

It will make a nice conversation piece Roger. Unusual to say the least.

[AgCollector]

I hate to pick, but to me the lighting really does suggest that they are incused. On the obverse, the light source seems to be at the 1:30 or 2:00 position- you can see, that Lincoln's forehead reflects the most light, as does the upper right part of the top curve in the 9 of the date, and other locations...

HOWEVER, the odd ball letter portions of ONE CENT don't reflect light at the 2:00 position but rather from the exact opposite side, i.e. more like 7:00 or 8:00, and they appear to have shadows at the 2:00 position. Take the letter C from CENT- there are three bright spots, at each end of the letter and in one corner. Those reflections only make sense to me if they are indented- since on an indentation, it is not the leading edge that will reflect but rather the other side of the "trough".

Edit: Added rough drawing to try to illustrate this point- that raised and incused objects will show the opposite bright / shadow trends.

[1sgret]

I have to admit by the last picture posted the lettering of 1c does looked raised and not incused. Unusual find Roger!

[WideAMQueen]

I have seen the coin And believe it or not it's raised. The reason why we were especially confused is about a year ago I found a 1982flip over and ONE CENT is stamped perfectly on the obverse of the coin in the right direction and it is raised and it is authentic.. I hate how people fake errors- good thing we have LCR to figure them out! Thank you!

Dad- well find a better one soon :)

[AgCollector]

I have to admit by the last picture posted the lettering of 1c does looked raised and not incused. Unusual find Roger!

I can "see" it either way, kind of like the optical illusions one sees occasionally. But, what about the lighting?

[jcuve]

The one thing I don't understand is, and it may just be due the photo, would be why there's a color difference between the normal obverse and the mirrored raised letters from the reverse? It seems as if every part of the area in question has a hue (and maybe even a surface quality) shift. That doesn't make sense to me, especially down at the E and N of CENT.

That wouldn't explain how it was created, but it makes me think it happened after it was minted...that is unless the reverse is a slightly (or completely) a different material that is mysteriously bonded to the coin. But how could it be mirrored and raised?

...I think Roger's coin is going to haunt me all morning...

ADDED TO SAY:
I cannot understand any way for a coin to have a raised, mirror image of its design. I am very interested in Mike’s conclusions after he examines. It is not possible - I just don't see anyway, not a clash, a counter-clash, a double strike...anything. Maybe the extra part is a scrap from a novelty (or a magician) coin that made it into a coin sorter, fell apart, got caught with this coin and then part of it adhered to the obverse.