Die Deterioration Doubling (DDD)

[jcuve]

I have been working on a quick visual analysis of Other Forms of Doubling (OFD). (This whole page plus other examples have been archived here: LINK (http://www.lincoln-cents.cuvelier.org/OFD/DDD.html).)

Here I have illustrated Die Deterioration Doubling (DDD) on both new and older Lincolns. Illustration a. is a 1989D with DDD that is often mistaken for MD (what I had thought for a time as well) OR for beginners, confused as a Doubled Die. You can see in the first picture that the date has a ghostly doubled companion, by changing the light (photo 2), one can see the typical orange peel associated with DDD on older Lincolns is present here as well. (Also note the mintmark has Split Plating Doubling.) Below for comparison is a 1989P with clear Machine Doubling( (MD) and finally a 1989P 1DO-005 with class VI extra thickness in the date.

Illustration b. shows a 1943P with DDD, also shot twice, once for the doubling effect and the second to show the orange peel character of the surface. Below is a 1943P DDO-001 with strong extra thickness in the date. Further down is a common LDS example of a 1955P with DDD on the second 5 and across IGWT (sometimes called a poorman's double die, a misnomer). At the bottom is a 1955P DDO-002 with separation and notching in the word GOD.

a.

http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww322/jcuve/DDD_a.jpg

b.
http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww322/jcuve/DDD_b.jpg

Jason

[jhracing08]

Nice explanation and examples Jason.

[1sgret]

Nice examples.

[JeanK]

Thank You Jason! I certainly do appreciate the photographs as they do save me a thousand words of written explanations, and stick in my brain easier.
Jean

[RWBILLER]

jason
you should make a picture book of error types
roger

[jcuve]

jason
you should make a picture book of error types
roger

I don't think I have enough examples for a book - let alone the means to get something published. I might put up some pages on my website of a few doubled dies, maybe a few varieties and errors. Nothing crazy mind you.

If I can find a few more good examples of DDD I will add them to this thread, I think Jean said it best, "[the photographs...] stick in my brain easier."

[yomamma]

Thanks--very helpful---those DDD's can throw me into a false DDO frenzy....

[BadThad]

Excellent job Jason!

[hasfam]

Very nice job Jason. I would save the pics for reference but pics of DDD's and MD's have already been surgically implanted in my brain.

Rock

[JeanK]

Very nice work Jason. Thank You!
Now, back to those crazy 43 reprocessed cents with DDD ... drats! One could hope for more. :)
Jean

[celartu]

Although it is difficult, I will go gradually learn, Thanks:squigglemouth:

[linda555]

I have a question about this die deterioration doubling. It must not be a very valuable coins because i have alot of them.

[copper_poisoning]

Coins showing die deterioration doubling do not carry any premium....or, I should say shouldn't carry any premium. Some coins with DDD like the 1955 poor man's "doubled die" seem to carry a premium for some reason.

Greg

[celartu]

With contributions like these, we learn a lot, thanks Jason.-

[laytonre]

Jason just finished looking at your last two post with this is very good material and needs to be added to the resource site to make it easy to fine. Your posts have been a great help to many new members and old that are trying to learn. So congrats and thanks Richard

[trails]

Excellent work Jason.

BJ Neff

[roy]

thats why i'm hooked on lincoln resource,all facts a little bragging,quick answers,some humer and the nicest coin collecters i have ever made contact with.owe and last but not least it's FREE.:bigsmile:

[Roller]

Thanks Jayson. Very educational. Hopefully it will cut down on my false reports. George

[celartu]

Thanks for all the teachings, of which we learn a lot

[Jim]

Superb and I have a few of those 1943's that I will have to examine. Thanks Jason ya rock!

Jim

[jcuve]

Superb and I have a few of those 1943's that I will have to examine. Thanks Jason ya rock!

Jim

Always glad to see people still read my (now older) posts and get something out of them!

[Jim]

Dude it was awesome. I have read just about every book there is and got more out of your post than I did the books. Very well done! kudos and a big TY again!

Jim

[Cdiddle]

Jim, I do agree. I also have gotten the most from Jason's post.

[Jim]

Jim, I do agree. I also have gotten the most from Jason's post.

Thanks Cindy I am not sure I am confident yet but I feel much more informed and hopefully that will lead to better decisions.

Jim

[Jim]

Jason is this an example of MDD in God?

1961 D
http://www.lincolncentresource.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=294&pictureid=3776

[mustbebob]

Jim...I can answer this in case Jason doesn't make it here soon. The coin you show has hits on the lower parts of the letters. It is not caused my machine damage during the strike. Something just hit the coin in this area and left those marks.

[Jim]

Bob you know I thought the same thing at first but the angels don't line up and there is no residual of copper that you would find like a raised burr. just thinking out loud lol

Jim

[mustbebob]

Not all hits would leave a raised burr Jim. A shot straight down wouldn't displace metal enough. If you take a look at other coins (especially from mint bags), you will notice some pretty severe coin hits that are nothing more than divots with no raised metal.

[jcuve]

Sorry for the late reply - Friday night was family night (and a lunar new year party). I agree with Bob that it took a hit (PSD). For me the real key is the the flattened sections show a straight edge whereas MD is usually the part of the die coming back down on the same section of the stuck coin, so the flattened parts of your coin should have the same curvature from the struck devices (GOD) and not be straight.

[mehojah]

Many thanks jason.Great photo's and explanation.

Jess

[jcuve]

Many thanks jason.Great photo's and explanation.

Jess

Thanks Jess!

[busyeye]

Thank you again Jason and those pictures were spot on great examples.

[CranKddd]

i've been wondering why i find a lot of these lol

[Chamfre008]

VERY GOOD ILLUSTRATIONS!!!!! WILL CERTAINLY USE THIS INFORMATION AS TO DIFFERNIATE ALL MY 1988 and 1989 Lincoln cents!!!!! I have a "POORS MAN" 1955 Lincoln cent that needs this information!!!!

[Amadauss]

1989P 1DO-005 with class VI extra thickness in the date.

Great explanation. My question would be on that 1989 that seems to have much thicker numbers for the date and this classification you give it. Are they rare and if so worth more? I seem to have a great deal of these laying around and not just that year. 1964, 1982 and several others. Thanks.